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a passive BB defence - turn decision

Postby Skrotnisse » Oct 08 2008

Should I bet turn or not?

3/6 Limit Holdem
6 players

Pre-flop: (1.5 SB, 6 players) Hero is BB :8h :8s
4 folds, SB raises, Hero calls

Flop: :kh :9h :tc (3.0 SB, 2 players)
SB bets, Hero calls

Turn: :3s (2.5 BB, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero ?
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Postby Willem » Oct 09 2008

I check behind and call any river bet. You can maybe valuebet the river when a blank comes there and he checks there again.
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Postby mconstab » Oct 09 2008

Willem wrote:I check behind and call any river bet. You can maybe valuebet the river when a blank comes there and he checks there again.


So there's not one river card that you fold?
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Postby Bugsbunny » Oct 09 2008

mconstab wrote:
Willem wrote:I check behind and call any river bet. You can maybe valuebet the river when a blank comes there and he checks there again.


So there's not one river card that you fold?


Not when you're playing that passively. Normally I would reraise this preflop, but not always. For one it depends on the SB and in any case I'll sometimes just call in order to keep from getting too predictable.

I don't think I value bet this river after a check though. There's just too many overs out there. I'd rather bet the turn and hope for either a win or a free showdown (I'm not arguing that a bet is correct on the turn, it's something I'll sometimes do and sometimes not. I'd hate getting c/r though, especially since I'd have to call against an unknown. Again there's a lot of cards out there that beat you and in this situation a check is usually correct.)

But if you check the turn here he may bet the river with almost any 2 hoping to get you to fold if he has nothing, or hoping his A is good, or hoping that his pp beats your A, or hoping that the A that hit on the river scares you off with his 23 off etc.
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Postby toronexti » Oct 10 2008

wouldn't he check the river with A high, or a pair? Since you're playing it so passively I'd think that a check/call would be far more +ev than betting for the villian on the river here.
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Postby Skrotnisse » Oct 10 2008

Yes a check sounds good. I think (dont remember) that I bet the turn and checked behind on the river and he showed a 9x. And that´s another reason to not bet sometimes it goes check, check on both streets and I save money against a better hand.
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Postby Willem » Oct 10 2008

I always try to correspond the final pot size with the strength of my hand. On the turn here, you have 4th pair on a nasty board. Why would you want to make the pot bigger? I doubt you're a favorite if more money goes in. You cannot really valuebet, the only way to win an extra bet is by inducing a bluff.
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Postby Skrotnisse » Oct 10 2008

True.
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