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[Christok]

First of all. I master the technical aspect of poker well at the limits i play, but i dont master the psychology of playing poker. So i am a losing player. I admit it.

My best game is the NLHE SNGs and small MTTs, so thats what i usually plays. About four months ago i played really well and experienced a hot streak. I got my bankroll to grow to 3k dollars very fast. Then i played myself down to 2.3k dollars, and started chasing my loss. I sat down at a 10-20 Razz game, with a dude who only had 200 dollars. I was planing on winning his money then settle for 2.5k dollars. I played extremly bad, disgustingly bad. The dude sitting there wins a cuple of big pots from me, and suddenly the table starts filling up at a fast rate. I keep on playing and lose all of my money. That was frustrating and terrible. But then it happend.

Just as i quit the table, everyone else was leaving as well. This was the worst poker moment of my life, not due to the lost money, but everybody left when i got busted. I felt so sick and ashamed. So embarrassing, i was probably the biggest fish they had seen in years. I self excluded my self for four months, and that period is soon over.

I read ”the poker mindset”, and that book helped me somewhat, but i still ned imput and improvement. But i kinda feel as i have changed my mindset somewhat, but im not sure if it have effected me enough, as i havent played yet. Before i rated my sucsess in money, but i dont think i got that approach any more, i now want to play the best, and beat the game. I want to beat the game so bad, due to that embarrassing moment almost four months ago. I never ever felt so as ashamed and i never wanted anything this much before. I want to beat the game, and prove to myself that i am a winning player in the long run.

When i can start playing again i am going to deposit 1k dollars, thats a lot of money, but i can live with out it, and if i lose em playing with correct bankrollmanagment and follow my rules, than its ok, but im guessing im not going to lose that money IF i play by the new rules i am going to set. I belivr the big deposit will make me more focused.

I dont know how you guys shall response to this post, i dont even know what kind if response i want. I just wanted to write this stort. But anyhow, feel free to comment and/or give me tips. It is greatly appriciated. And also, sorry my bad English.

[PauliF]

good luck mate

I have had a few of those "shit I am the fish" moments myself

[Piemaster]

Feels good to tell the story doesn't it

Sounds like you got hit by a pretty bad dose of tilt, and unfortunately your story is all too familiar to those familiar with internet poker forums. It sounds like you did well by quitting poker for a while after the incident. Many players just redeposit and lose their money again and again and again...

So where does that leave you now? You admit to being a losing player who is determined to beat the games. In this case, then I see little point in depositing as much as $1000. You would be much better off depositing, say, $250 and playing at much smaller stakes. That way the money won't mean so much to you and you will be less likely to experience another serious bout of tilt. Just because you can financially afford to lose $1000 doesn't mean that you can emotionally. Once you have proved yourself a winner at the microlimits, then you can move up to the next level and so on. I think that deep down you are thinking about trying to get 'your' 3k back, which is why you want to start so high. This is not a good mindset to be in and is conductive to tilt. It's not easy to win at poker these days and it is much easier starting at the lowest limits.

I assume you don't need me to tell you that you also need to concentrate on one game. If your game is NL Hold'em then you shouldn't have been anywhere near a Razz table. Pick a game and stick to it until you can win and only then look to branch out.

Best of luck

[poker_Elmo]

Welcome to the forums.

Just as i quit the table, everyone else was leaving as well. This was the worst poker moment of my life, not due to the lost money, but everybody left when i got busted. I felt so sick and ashamed. So embarrassing, i was probably the biggest fish they had seen in years.

I only recall one other person admitting this. That was Daniel Negraneu. He said when he first went to Vegas, he lost money, and as soon as he left, everyone else got up and left. He turned out to be pretty good.


Also, everything Pie says here is good advice. The general bankroll management rules say to have 300 big bets for limit holdem, and 20 buyins if you play no limit holdem. If you play SNGs, you probably want 30 buyins.

If you are determined to beat the games, start low, and when you have proven you can beat a limit, move up to the next limit.

When hands are troubling - post them here for advice - it is the way a lot of us got better.

[Christok]

Feels good to tell the story doesn't it

Sounds like you got hit by a pretty bad dose of tilt, and unfortunately your story is all too familiar to those familiar with internet poker forums. It sounds like you did well by quitting poker for a while after the incident. Many players just redeposit and lose their money again and again and again...

So where does that leave you now? You admit to being a losing player who is determined to beat the games. In this case, then I see little point in depositing as much as $1000. You would be much better off depositing, say, $250 and playing at much smaller stakes. That way the money won't mean so much to you and you will be less likely to experience another serious bout of tilt. Just because you can financially afford to lose $1000 doesn't mean that you can emotionally. Once you have proved yourself a winner at the microlimits, then you can move up to the next level and so on. I think that deep down you are thinking about trying to get 'your' 3k back, which is why you want to start so high. This is not a good mindset to be in and is conductive to tilt. It's not easy to win at poker these days and it is much easier starting at the lowest limits.

I assume you don't need me to tell you that you also need to concentrate on one game. If your game is NL Hold'em then you shouldn't have been anywhere near a Razz table. Pick a game and stick to it until you can win and only then look to branch out.

Best of luck

Maybe youre right, that i want to start so high. Maye i deep inside somewhere is still thinking about "my" 3k. Im not sure.

One of the reason why i want to start this high is because losing 1k will probably emotionally hurt me, but thats what i want. I never want to feel like i did that day at the Razz table again, and losing 250 dollars wont get me feeling the same feelings, but a 1k loss would. And i think that might be important. But, yet again, im not sure, and havent decided wether i sould deposit around 250 or 1k. I get your points, and i agree with them. But its like an two egded sword, both has pros and cons.

And also i would of course win more money if i start at higher limits, that is of cours if i master the psycological aspect. And the still the most important thing is to make right decisions, rather than looking at the money.

This is my sharkscope stats.

Games Played Av. Profit Av. Stake Av. ROI Total
1,155 $2 $12 31%

(And yeah, my form is Super Tilt)

This is both STT and those sweet 180 mans turbo on stars.

So i dont se a reason to start low to find out if i beat the limits, because i do, that is tecnical not emotional, witch is alot more important. The reason would be to find of if i master the psycological parts, and give me practice on mastering it. Im not going to focus on my game for a while, i have to figuer out the emotional part first.

I am going for a min 100x buyin roll, maybe i should deposit right above 100x buyin for a limt, so i most likly would have to drop a limit very fast, to follow that rule. To give me some practise on doing it. I have also wrote a set of rulse that i am going to print out and have besides my laptop and read every time and follow before every session.

I appriciate your comments, and feel free to comment more on my thougts.