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[nyehehe]

Grabbed byHoldem Manager
PL Omaha $0.10(BB) Replayer
SB ($13.12)
Hero ($10.32)
UTG ($9.92)
UTG+1 ($10)
CO ($10)
BTN ($9.32)

Dealt to Hero K:heart: Q:club: Q:spade: K:diamond:

fold, fold, CO checks, BTN calls $0.10, SB calls $0.05, Hero raises to $0.50, CO calls $0.40, BTN calls $0.40, fold

FLOP ($1.60) Q:diamond: A:club: T:club:

Hero bets $1.50, CO calls $1.50, BTN raises to $7.60, Hero folds, CO folds

Is the preflop raise good with this hand? Is the donk raise ok or shall I just check. I think my donk raise was to get information about the others hands. If I don't get raise there is no straight out. I do have some blockers too.

[kz282]

Why did you raise from the blinds? Being OOP is said to be bad in PLO...

Did you want to represent aces? But then suddenly your aces turn to KJ on the flop... If this was a bluff, then it was not really creditable.

By the way that was not a donkbet, but a continuation bet as you were the last raiser preflop.

[sbp0571]

I agree that the raise pre was bad only because of your position. Making sure you don't only raise with AAxx is good, but probably do it mostly when you are in position. Good play on the rest of the hand though, not a lot you can do.

[whereisthelove]

i will not raise KKQQ off-suit out of position as well.
as played on flop
even though we have two Ks as a blocker for the made straight, we still have CO behind us to act after the BTN raise(raise over a pot bet and a call), i will fold as well.

[MaxStPolish]

Maybe I'm the only one here that doesn't hate the PF raise. I would not be doing this 100% of the time, in fact far less than 50%...but I think if you are ever going to raise out of the blinds it's best to do with double PP's and 4 card rundowns, as when you hit this flops, you hit them hard, and it often will put your opponents in very tough spots. That said I check this flop. Being that I hold 2 blocks to the nuts right now. I'm probably in check/call mode for at least one street unless the betting goes bet/raise before it gets to me. The bulk of players at this level are jamming AAxx as hard as they can preflop, so the lack of 3 bet makes me feel AA is not an option. Obv, JKxx is nuts here, but you hold 50% of the K market.

I definitely float this flop if possible (assuming someone bets). Hopefully it's HU, as vs. a made straight you have potential flush outs via reverse float, depending on how the hand goes. Not to mention it's possible that a club turn buys you a free river card, letting you get to the river on one bet with 2nd set.

[KEVBO]

I tend to not pre-flop raise out of the blinds very much with AAxx or any big card hands ex. KKQQ, KKQJ, KQJT, etc. Anytime you do this most people will put you on big cards and usually AAxx. Being OOP=very bad in Omaha.

I do pre-flop raise out of the blinds (not often) but when I do it's usually with a hand like T987, 9875, etc. and usually at least one suit.

This does a couple of things. First, when big cards or an ace flops, I'm gonna bet out and represent. I tend to take down a lot of smaller pots doing this. Second, when I nail the flop, I stand a better chance of stacking the other players who assume I have AAxx and whiffed.

[tcuccia]

yea you can't call here, you are either already crushed or someone is at least flipping against your set. I would have checked the flop too, its just too wet to bet oop with middle set.

[jameseigenmann]

You can 2.5x - 3x raise, call shove is standard. If he flats, cbet any board about 1/2 pot (fold if he c-raises with A on board), but otherwise be happy getting it in. You lose a lot of value open-shoving a hand like QQ, KK here.

[Bouma]

Maybe I'm the only one here that doesn't hate the PF raise. I would not be doing this 100% of the time, in fact far less than 50%...but I think if you are ever going to raise out of the blinds it's best to do with double PP's and 4 card rundowns, as when you hit this flops, you hit them hard, and it often will put your opponents in very tough spots. That said I check this flop. Being that I hold 2 blocks to the nuts right now. I'm probably in check/call mode for at least one street unless the betting goes bet/raise before it gets to me. The bulk of players at this level are jamming AAxx as hard as they can preflop, so the lack of 3 bet makes me feel AA is not an option. Obv, JKxx is nuts here, but you hold 50% of the K market.

I definitely float this flop if possible (assuming someone bets). Hopefully it's HU, as vs. a made straight you have potential flush outs via reverse float, depending on how the hand goes. Not to mention it's possible that a club turn buys you a free river card, letting you get to the river on one bet with 2nd set.

This looks good to me.
Check/call the flop, look what happens at the turn. If you bet you only get yourself set up for a big raise. If the flush hits you can possibly try to steal. Also the board could pair - and aces would have jammed it preflop as max said.

[J7]

A bunch of bad advice here. You have a good hand preflop, raise, get the flop you are looking for, bet, get raised, and fistpump... fold?
Do you really think somebody is slowplaying AAxx here?

Just get the money in. And look up the concept "pot odds".

[lolercoasterrr]

pre-flop raise is fine here as it's a solid hand... i'm not sure i would lead this 3-way as you're bound to get called or raised. as played i think this is fine however; definitely fold to the raise

[J7]

i'm not sure i would lead this 3-way as you're bound to get called or raised.

We have the effective second nuts with a decent redraw in case we are behind. If our opponents are such that we are "bound" to get action (i.e. they could raise or call light) that makes me extra excited to try to get the money in. However, I do not think that this is such an action flop, we will probably get a peel from a lot of Axxx hands, but since we have shown strength preflop and that flop just smacks our range, I think the most probable action is we bet and they both fold. If someone raises, just shrug and get the money in.

definitely fold to the raise

I am not folding KKQQ here, folding e.g. QQ97 would probably be correct, though.

[safesteps]

I would find a hard time myself folding here cause of the blockers and the redraw possibilities.

I surely lead this flop, but I wont raise it preflop and the most significant reason for not raising is that we dont hold any flush possibilites.

Single suited would be a judgement call whether to raise it or not preflop and my decision would have to be based on the softness of the table. Double suited I think I m gonna raise it every time.

What is confusing me about the hand is the fact that we represent at least AAxx and still we re getting raised. I dont think he is on AAxx, not only because of the preflop action, but also because the bare AAxx wouldnt raise that board either. If he 's on AAKJ he wouldnt raise it again unless he s afraid of the flush draw (still on that scenario 50% of the time he's holding Kc). So, after those thoughts I have to give him credit for KJxx even though we hold blockers and maybe a KcJxxc so he jams to get a freeroll on other KJxx hands.

Ofc, there is always the possibility for the villain to be that tricky and try to push us out with a hand like JJxx (with a probable fd) cause of his blockers!