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[Scully]

I'm pretty new to PLO and so expect I'm making a ton of mistakes. Now I have HEM Omaha I intend to post a good few examples.

Anyway, only 3 hands on villain and he's played all of them.

Full Tilt Poker $10.00 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 5 players - View hand 631390
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SB: $9.98
BB: $13.18
UTG: $5.00
Hero (CO): $10.00
BTN: $12.10

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is CO with A T A 5
UTG raises to $0.35, Hero raises to $1.20, 1 fold, SB calls $1.15, 1 fold, UTG calls $0.85

Flop: ($3.70) 4 5 3 (3 players)
SB bets $3.70, UTG folds, Hero raises to $8.80, SB calls $5.08 all in

Turn: ($21.26) 9 (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: ($21.26) 4 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Comments on all streets more than welcome.

[germanfalcon]

Its PLO10 so dont expect much logical play here. Playing straight forward ABC poker is recommended. Valuebet your made hands and dont float too much.

Comments on your hand:
preflop standard. You have a strong hand and you want to play that hand with position.

postflop overplayed. Sure you have have Aces, but dont get overexited. You totally missed this kind of flop and SB which overcalls two raisers preflop donks in that hand. You only could beat a bluff here and with the reraise allin you turn your AAxx hand into a bluff.

Okay, question for you: What would you have done when all have checked to you. Would you conti bet and how much? When you conti bet and get check-raised allin in, would you call?

[Willem]

I would just fold the flop here, he has a strait or at least a set >80% of the time.

[Scully]

Okay, question for you: What would you have done when all have checked to you. Would you conti bet and how much? When you conti bet and get check-raised allin in, would you call?

In all honesty, and this may expose my total lack of experience here, I would have c-bet had all checked to me, and given that I read somewhere that anything less than a PSB on the flop is a bad idea (due to so many possible combo draws you want to give the lowest pot odds possible) that's what I would have put in.

If CR'ed I don't know - probably called off my stack as I'm a NLHE donk trying to learn PLO although I'm pretty certain that this would be a bad idea.

My thoughts here are that I'm only really in bad shape against sets or straights or OESD+pairs. However given the PF action I wouldn't expect SB to have too many low cards in his hand. Surely playing A2xx or 4567, 5678 hands OOP to a PF 3 bet carries a public health warning?

Or am I overthinking this? Should it be more of a case of 'villain cold calls a 3 bet OOP and donks pot - not sure what he has but he sure has me beat - fold and move on'?

[jerseys]

I think I'd just flat pre. Your hand is not that great, plus everyone at this level will put you on aces and you don't know yet if this opponent will try to push you off. Also it's PLO10 so you don't need to get too aggressive, you'll have plenty of spots to make money.

[MaxStPolish]

No comments on 4th and 5th as you are all in.

the 3 bet to isolate makes sense. The biggest detractor is that the SB comes around for the ride, which greatly reduces the SPR, and brings a full stack opponent into the fray. I don't agree that SB's pot lead bet is a straight 80% of the time...but i do agree that it's two pair a ton, it's a pair or two pair with straight draws a ton, and it is a straight every so often. lots of straight check into two players OOP on this unassuming board.

Regardless this flop hits plenty. Tough situation, but probably a fold because of SB's wide open range and player to act behind. I dunno, it's definitely short of an auto shove, and i do think it's a crying call more often than not. A tough hand.

[MaxStPolish]

I think I'd just flat pre. Your hand is not that great, plus everyone at this level will put you on aces and you don't know yet if this opponent will try to push you off. Also it's PLO10 so you don't need to get too aggressive, you'll have plenty of spots to make money.

I agree with the 1st half of this. Unless you've shown your 3 bet range to exceed AAxx, you are putting your hand faceup on the table. There's nothing wrong with a flat pre.....but in a perfect world you've shown you can 3 bet more than AA, and now you 3 bet to try and isolate in position.

[sinin1]

I think you lost

and would put vllian on 80% winner


possible win for you would be if villian had
3578 or similar
where they caught 2 pair, and had straight draws


as far as playing differently?

when a straight hits (or flush), need to back off/slow down

but you were pot committed (priced in anyway)
for rest if hand

[tcuccia]

I think you have to fold this flop as you are either already crushed or your opponent is not far behind you. It's tough folding hands like this especially when you come from a holdem background like I did but you will get used to it.

[J7]

My thoughts here are that I'm only really in bad shape against sets or straights or OESD+pairs.

Well, that is pretty much the typical range for people leading out in multiway pots on flops like this.

However given the PF action I wouldn't expect SB to have too many low cards in his hand. Surely playing A2xx or 4567, 5678 hands OOP to a PF 3 bet carries a public health warning?

Given that villain has played all three hands you have seen thus far, he might not be particularly selective, and I would also be playing 9876, 8765, or 7654 double-suited in his position.

If you have not seen him make random donkey-donks before, I would fold this pretty quickly. Heads-up, some aggressive players do moves like this with hands like pair+kickers, so with good reads I might go with it, but typically you are too far behind his range.

[Bouma]

I wouldn't 3bet pre. You just give your hand away -> you get raised if no ace hits, you get no value if the ace hits.