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[rebeskes]

Here is a hand i want your opinion

PokerStars #43726137217: Omaha ($2/$4 USD) - 2010/05/07 9:37:11 EET

'Thalassa III' 6-max Seat #2 is button

Seat 1: skrue99 ($309.70)
Seat 2: Raymond Wu ($420.40)
Seat 3: Baller510 ($823.90)
Seat 4: rebeskes ($353.10)
Seat 5: PeedaSB ($400)
Seat 6: maarszee ($191.50)
Baller510: small blind $2
rebeskes big blind $4

*** CARDS ***
Dealt to rebeskes [7s 5s 3s 3h]
PeedaSB: fold
maarszee: calls $4
skrue99: calls $4
Raymond Wu: calls $4
Baller510: check
rebeskes: check

*** FLOP *** [4s 2d 9c]
rebeskes: check
maarszee: check
skrue99: check
Raymond Wu: bet $12
rebeskes: calls $12
maarszee: fold
skrue99: raise $12 to $24
Raymond Wu: calls $12
rebeskes: calls $12

Strange raise, probably not something to strong…

*** TURN *** [4s 2d 9c] [6s]
rebeskes: bet $87
skrue99: calls $87
Raymond Wu: fold

*** RIVER *** [4s 2d 9c 6s] [Js]
rebeskes: check
skrue99: bet $194.70 all-in

After his cold call my turn pot bet should have fl draw with something more so I decide to fold even with three spades in my hand…

rebeskes: fold

What do you thing?

[Willem]

Strange line from him. Can't his flop raise be 44xx or 22xx making some kind of information raise? Given the flop play, 99xx is not out there so he can call on the turn, and turn it into a bluff on a flush river (maybe he has the ).

I'm calling here, especially when we have 3 spades in our hand. You need to call a certain % of the time to prevent people from running you over, and this is the perfect situation (with your blockers) to make a call.

Besides, if you fold every card that brings the flush or pairs the board, then you'd be folding so much that villain can float you with any 0% equity hand. You should probably even call with a strait here some percentage of the time to prevent exploitation.

[IH8Folding]

I played a home game recently that threw up some interesting hands. One occurred which had a difficult decision at the end, and true to form for the month, I made the wrong decision. The game was nominally 10c-20c no-limit six-handed, but every pot had at least 2 straddles, to it was really a 10c-20c-50c-€1 game. The stacks were all €400 at this point, except for one irrelevant shortstack.

[MaxStPolish]

Strange line from him. Can't his flop raise be 44xx or 22xx making some kind of information raise? Given the flop play, 99xx is not out there so he can call on the turn, and turn it into a bluff on a flush river (maybe he has the ).

I'm calling here, especially when we have 3 spades in our hand. You need to call a certain % of the time to prevent people from running you over, and this is the perfect situation (with your blockers) to make a call.

Besides, if you fold every card that brings the flush or pairs the board, then you'd be folding so much that villain can float you with any 0% equity hand. You should probably even call with a strait here some percentage of the time to prevent exploitation.

I love reading your responses. Perfect.

It would be a leak to just snap this 100% of the time, but you do need to call occasionally or run the risk of players just jamming any rivered new nuts.

[Willem]

Strange line from him. Can't his flop raise be 44xx or 22xx making some kind of information raise? Given the flop play, 99xx is not out there so he can call on the turn, and turn it into a bluff on a flush river (maybe he has the ).

I'm calling here, especially when we have 3 spades in our hand. You need to call a certain % of the time to prevent people from running you over, and this is the perfect situation (with your blockers) to make a call.

Besides, if you fold every card that brings the flush or pairs the board, then you'd be folding so much that villain can float you with any 0% equity hand. You should probably even call with a strait here some percentage of the time to prevent exploitation.

I love reading your responses. Perfect.

It would be a leak to just snap this 100% of the time, but you do need to call occasionally or run the risk of players just jamming any rivered new nuts.

Well, at lower limits, many villains will never bluff in this spot. Against those, folding would be fine. But against somewhat decent opposition, this would indeed be a snapcall with your blockers.

Paying off a better flush feels stupid, but is absolutely necessary when villain has a decent bluffing frequency here.

[ac on]

I snap because it came backdoor and it makes no sense for him to be bluff-raising a multi-way pot with just a BD flush.

He probably doesn't care that the flush is out there - in his mind, he probably thinks you don't get there with a flush, and I could see him shoving with a set - for value.

[KEVBO]

Agree with "Willem" and "ac on" on this one. First you hold three spades so a higher spade flush is less likely. Second, the flush back-doored. I'm usually going to snap call this. In fact, I often like to check this river as you did to induce bluffs.

More times than not here, he called your turn bet hoping to fill up and missed.

[safesteps]

My friend George,

I ' m glad to meet you here!

I believe its a clear call here. He's got straights at his range also and he may have tried to avoid splitting by forcing you on the river. Sometimes he may have hit the better flush and you have to pay. Checking on the river is only to call, otherwise, you have the option to bet/fold (the latter only if he is NOT the type of guy who would push you out of the pot with a bare ).

The 'odd' flop raise might have been a way to build a pot even with a draw like A356 or a 3456 type of hand without making himself committed if he had gotten reraised.

[Bouma]

Another way to justify a call: would he push the nuts?
Maybe not, because he'd like you to call rather than fold if he actually has the nuts...