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[crunchtime]

hello all,

this hand is from a 10$-tournament with 1rebuy and 1 addon:

facts:
- half an hour played (the time i bought in)
- the chipleader and villian in this hand had over 25K chips (over 4 times double rebuy)
- it was my first hand in this tourney
- the chipleader seemed to be in every pot but had showed down only very nice hands (i.e. the nuts or very close to it)
- blinds 15/30

my hand: my stack when the hand started: 3000

im in the BB and there a 4 limpers (villian one of them sitting in utg+1), the SB folds and i check my option

flop

it gets checked around

turn

it gets checked around

river

action thereafter: i bet pot (165), the chipleader repots to 660, i re-repot to 2145 and he is shoving the rest and i ofc call

villian shows:

my analysis: some will blame me for 4-betting with and underfull here but from a hand combination perspective its quite reasonable

his 3-bet is consistent with a fullhouse or quads: QQ, Q3, 83, K3, KK or 33
from this combinations i beat 66% (Q3, 83, K3)

i think that villian will 3-bet here with a ALL of his full houses and not only the overfulls (reasoning: rebuys, massive chipstack, run)

i know also that his calling range matters and not his 3-betting range in that respect and ofc his 5-bet is bad news to me (but that was the negligible part of the pot since i was committed anyway ). But his calling range of my 4-bet is imo the same as his 3-betting range out of the above mentioned reasons....


was it a good play? or rather atrocious? every sophisticated answer is welcome

[aural]

hi crunchtime,

i think it was not a good play. i would have checked, hoping to showdown for cheap, which would have been the case. raising yourself has no merit at all. think about it: would a hand that you can beat, call your raise or your bet? highly unlikely. the best way to extract value on the river with a dangerous hand like the underfull is to give your opponent a chance to bluff and just call.

his 3-bet is consistent with a fullhouse or quads: QQ, Q3, 83, K3, KK or 33

i wouldn´t say that. a raise here is more consistent with KK and 33 hands imo. any other full house shouldn´t raise here, i think. the danger of running into a bigger FH is just too costly with the other hands.

KK would have checked the flop (just an overpair), the turn (now top set, but with a flush on board). the raise on the river is perfectly consistent, because he only fears 33

same for 33-hands, with the exception that you wouldn´t bet bottom set on the flop.

QQ would have bet the flop, like the Two-Pair-hands with maybe the exception of 83, but that hand yould never raise you on the river.

cheers
s.