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[YourBigPoppa]

i think your play is fine.
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stats would help, but call is standard. Vs. a standard 1/2 player 4 betting with your stack size is boarderline, i like that play ocassionally at 2/4, although I don't play on stars. After that I check raise if its a player thats continuation bets a lot and just bet otherwise, nothing you can do on that flop to get away from the hand.

[J7]

Reasons to 4-bet preflop:
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1) you dominate a lot of rundowns that villain may 3-bet/call pre in position
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2) you are dominated by KKxx which villain may be 3-bet/folding pre
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3) not having to make tough post-flop decisions out of position
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4) implied tilt odds
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5) gets you in the right mood for the session
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So if villain is the type to do 1) and 2), I 3-bet this a lot. If he mostly has AAxx, I just call.
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On the flop, if you think he has a wide range, just checkraise and get it in, you are rarely in bad shape and he may even be shoving a dominated draw. If you are almost sure he has aces, lead for like $18 or so, call a raise and shove any non-pairing turn. If he pots over your weak lead, it gets him committed but does not commit you, and you can play the turn perfectly against aces. The stop-and-donk line also has decent tilt odds if you bink the river. Note that you need to be quite sure he has aces to do this, as check-folding a turned ten against the villain's 9876ss would be quite a disaster.

[e1cnr]

did you really want to be all-in on turn with a great draw and a pair of 9's against the villians probable trip aces?
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I would have check called until river when hand made

[J7]

</span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>e1cnr wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">did you really want to be all-in on turn with a great draw and a pair of 9's against the villians probable trip aces?</td> </tr></table>
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Even on a blank turn we have 40% equity, so it is not that bad (although, to answer your question, I'd rather be all-in with a turned straight flush against AAxx drawing dead).
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</span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Quote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">I would have check called until river when hand made</td> </tr></table>
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We are ahead of aces on this flop, so I'd like to get as much money in as possible while still being able to outplay villain on the turn. I think having SPR around 0.7 on the turn is optimal for this. By check-calling we rarely have much implied odds, rather there are reverse implied odds as we are out of position and our flush draw is not to the nuts.
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This is all academic though, as I never put any 1/2 reg so squarely on aces here that I would do anything but shove the flop.

[surprise and fear]

</span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>J7 wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">Reasons to 4-bet preflop:
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1) you dominate a lot of rundowns that villain may 3-bet/call pre in position
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2) you are dominated by KKxx which villain may be 3-bet/folding pre
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3) not having to make tough post-flop decisions out of position</td> </tr></table>
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Wow, those are very good reasons I did not think about yet, I especially like #2.
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Thanks man.
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</span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>J7 wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">
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4) implied tilt odds
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5) gets you in the right mood for the session</td> </tr></table>
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I just sprayed dinner over my monitor <img src="images/smiles/icon_lol.gif" alt="Laughing" border="0" /> you rule J7