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[Piemaster]

Wow, I thought we had our fair share of extremely unlikeable right-wing politicians, but in America you really have it bad!

[darvon]

The Dems are trying to say that Obama can lose this, so that when he wins re-election, it will be a mandate.

Blah. Incumbents have HUGE advantages and hardly ever lose.

George I lost because he just gave up and didn't campaign.

Jimmy lost because the DC Dems undermined him and he went up against a media savvy actor.

Johnson, Nixon, Reagan, Clinton, Bush all won. That's 5:2 odds even without analysis.

[Bullajami]

Wow, I thought we had our fair share of extremely unlikeable right-wing politicians, but in American you really have it bad!

I have paid zero attention to the republicanics wannabes so far. What do you find unlikable about her?

[nsidestrate]

Wow, I thought we had our fair share of extremely unlikeable right-wing politicians, but in American you really have it bad!

I have paid zero attention to the republicanics wannabes so far. What do you find unlikable about her?

I was thinking the same thing. I was faintly amused that a Brit was more informed than I was about a political candidate in my country. I'm vaguely aware that she is used as a punchline and somehow compared herself to John Wayne Gacy. That's literally all I've got. My sense is that she is something akin to Palin, a sort of "outsider" from the sticks (Minnesota?) who is ultra conservative.

@Darvon: I'm firmly convinced that incumbents dominate in good economies and languish in poor ones. Hence the potential vulnerability of Obama.

[chrisjp]

@Darvon: I'm firmly convinced that incumbents dominate in good economies and languish in poor ones. Hence the potential vulnerability of Obama.

Yup.

The Media is obsessed in this country with running a Presidential Campaign no matter how far off it is. And Iowa and New Hampshire do nothing to deter them.

Trump?
Sarah?

What is the deal. I must say Donald got so much hype he must be laughing all the way to his next TV production.

[Stew21]

The Dems are trying to say that Obama can lose this, so that when he wins re-election, it will be a mandate.

Blah. Incumbents have HUGE advantages and hardly ever lose.

George I lost because he just gave up and didn't campaign.

Jimmy lost because the DC Dems undermined him and he went up against a media savvy actor.

Johnson, Nixon, Reagan, Clinton, Bush all won. That's 5:2 odds even without analysis.

Did Johnson get re-elected or did he finish up JFK's term?

[Piemaster]

Wow, I thought we had our fair share of extremely unlikeable right-wing politicians, but in American you really have it bad!

I have paid zero attention to the republicanics wannabes so far. What do you find unlikable about her?

Well from what I have read and the speeches I have seen* she seems to be an ultra-conservative against gay marrige (she has described homosexuality as a 'sexual disfunction') and abortion, who uses the word 'God' way too much and labels anybody who disagrees with her as 'Un-American'. She is also a denier of global warming and evolution.

Also on a personal level she just looks like a plastic product of some kind of politician factory. Then again, I think the British are generally suspicious of people (both men and women) with 'perfect hair', so this may be a bit of prejudice coming through.

* Some of which were admittedly hand-picked by the BBC, but the stories themselves weren't really anti-Bachmann in nature so I'll give the BBC the benefit of the doubt for now (I give them much less credit than I used to)

[chrisjp]

Did Johnson get re-elected or did he finish up JFK's term?

Yes, and yes. He got elected for the first time in the landslide against Goldwater, but he was already the President of course.

Actually Johnson could have run for re-election since he served out the Kennedy's short remaining term, but the Vietnam War was very polarizing and who knows if he would have been re-elected. He decided not to run and Nixon defeated Humphrey.

I can't believe I was in MIddle and High School when all this transpired--didn't have to look it up.

[kinnipak]

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/ne ... 622?page=1

[Piscivorous]

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/michele-bachmanns-holy-war-20110622?page=1

Rolling Stone on politics? Might as well look for bowling tips in Golf Magazine......

[chrisjp]

Rolling Stone on politics? Might as well look for bowling tips in Golf Magazine......

Gotta agree with Pisc on this one.

[darvon]

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/michele-bachmanns-holy-war-20110622?page=1

Rolling Stone on politics? Might as well look for bowling tips in Golf Magazine......

Yep. I always look for my analysis of Republicans from Rolling Stone and my analysis of Democrats from Guns and Ammo magazine.

[darvon]

I also have zero knowledge of Bachman, nor about any politics of the last 10 years. I got extremely "inside" in national Republican politics about 15 years ago and saw the sausage being made. I got irritated and dropped out.

So if the BBC thinks Bachman is a loon, which Dem do they think a loon? They might not be discussing this under the assumption of Obama incumbancy, but back in 2008, who was the Dem loon?

@Nside, go back 60 years and the incumbent wins 6:2. Certainly the economy wasn't great for all 6 of those. In fact, I think in 84 the economy was still marginal after the cratering of the 70s. IIRC 1982 was a big down year, so 1984 couldn't have been all that great. 56 was probably Ok, 64 was ok too, but Johnson was a lock. 72 wasn't that great, didn't we have price controls? 80 was just Carter v Reagan. 92 was Bush quitting but the economy was fine. 96 was rockin'. 2004 was ok.

I don't see a good correlation between incumbancy success and failure and the economy.

[Piscivorous]

So if the BBC thinks Bachman is a loon, which Dem do they think a loon? They might not be discussing this under the assumption of Obama incumbancy, but back in 2008, who was the Dem loon?

Kucinich

[nsidestrate]

I don't see a good correlation between incumbancy success and failure and the economy.

Well, there are always other factors. Nate Silver weighs in on unemployment.

How many incumbents have lost? I've got Ford, Carter and Bush I. Who else?