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[redman7027]

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, 215 Tournament, 200/400 Blinds 50 Ante (9 handed) - Poker-Stars Hand Converter from HandHistoryConverter.com

UTG+1 (t18269)
MP1 (t10591)
MP2 (t5762)
MP3 (t7904)
CO (t7842)
Button (t5703)
SB (t29707)
Hero (BB) (t8415)
UTG (t5343)

Hero's M: 8.01

Preflop: Hero is BB with J, A
2 folds, MP1 bets t888, 5 folds, Hero ?

Total pot: t2426

Fold / Call / Raise ?

[kinnipak]

On the fence here imo.

I'd like to call to see a flop. But if UTG shoves where are we then?

Final answer is a fold for me.

[philhux]

utg already folded.

I think it's fine just to fold here in the absence of any read.

I don't really like to call as it feels like we are just throwing away chips and a shove seems like a spew without any extra info.

[Newbatron]

Yeah I think its a fold seems nitty but raising or shuving pre is spew and so is C/R a flop if we miss. We kind of have to play fit or fold on the flop and even when we hit we could be dominated and have to get it in. Save the trouble an let it go

[TaMaHiTTeR]

Depending on my read of MP1 I might shove here with only 21 BB's. I dont like calling here OOP as I would have to hit the flop hard to continue. I could very easily fold here to though,,,just depends on read.

[KKmonster]

I think this depends on what range you put MP1 on, it seems like he's not raising with worse than AJo unless it's a strong suited connector in that position for an unknown opponent, so your reverse implied odds might not be too good

if he's been quite active preflop then I think it's ok to call and see a flop, but once you've flopped top pair then you have to be prepared to play for stacks

[Taardvark]

I think I'd fold here. much closer for me suited but I still am not thrilled about it. With our stack size I want to be first in or three bet shoving much more often than making a call, even invested in the BB. With the stack size, calling limits our range and villian should know that if they are decent so we don't have a lot of maneuverability post flop. We basically have to hit or give it up. Bluffs are not going to work a lot in this spot.

[flipflops_n_shades]

Fold or push. But with an M of 8, you really need to double up soon so I would lean towards pushing if I even remotely believed the other player to be weak based on table image and/or how many times he/she has raised preflop.

[leofric]

I dont mind a push based on stack size - its all read dependant though. If the villain is pretty tight its a fold.

Hate shoving cards like AJ though since its usually rubbish against his calling range

[TaMaHiTTeR]

This is a fold or a shove. You cant flat here its just spewing. I lean towards a shove but it would depend on my read of the raiser. What does his a little over 2x raise tell you? Huge?

[chuckychess]

In the book Kill Phil, it says to shove AJ offsuit from late position and the blinds when your M<10.

[pnzrldr]

I agree. Would never voluntarily play AJo OOP - build easy decisions, not hard ones - so a call is out. Based on my read of Villain, would either shove or fold. Do you have a 'fold to 3bet' stat on him? Would lean towards shove if I recall two or more PFRs in last 1.5 - 2 orbits, or if he were tracking greater than ~ 24/16 VPIP/PFR. Much less or no recent recollection of steal activity and I'm dumping it. Note though that the PFR amount is pretty small - like what, 2.25BBs? Is that his standard, or does he vary? Since not quite a minraise, might indicate he's prepared to get away from it if 3bet.

[Tony Guerrera]

I tend to think about my preflop 3-bet shoving in terms of what hands I could have called a shove with had the preflop raiser had elected to shove (if I can call a shove with it, then I should be more than happy 3-bet shoving with it). AJo is outside the equilibrium calling range here, so its value as a 3-bet shove is questionable. Meanwhile, I agree with others before who say that flatting here is also questionable. I think the only way you can flat here is if you're capable of check-raise bluffing sometimes...to make up for the times that you hit a flop and end up losing to a better hand. But in the end, I can't see AJo as a profitable flat against a raise from that position. Your default play should be to fold here.

With no opponents remaining to act behind, there is an opportunity to make an exploitative adjustment if the opener has a high RFI (raise first in percentage) from EP (if you don't have have RFI broken down by position in your HUD's pop-up, you should change that situation ASAP...RFI broken down by position is huge in situations like this). If the opener's EP RFI suggests that the opener is stealing from EP, then a 3-bet jam here will be +cEV.

One word of caution: don't be overly optimistic when looking at EP RFI. EP RFI of 2/10 is a fold here while an EP RFI of 4/10 is a comfortable jam. You need enough of a sample set to be sure that opener's EP RFI is at least 15-20%. (I don't immediately know what the precise percentage cutoff is, but I feel that it's somewhere in the 15%-20% area...probably closer to 15%)

[ktraderk]

Personally, with about 20BB, I would make some moves depending on how I categorized the villains' range and their images, if:

TAG - I would fold or light 3bet with intention folding any 4bet
LAG - I would 3bet 1/3 of my stacks or reshove all-in and let him make the decision.

In this case, without any real read of your vallain's range and since he is in mid position, he could open with a wide range and you are giving a discount call on BB. But, the only disadvantage is you are OOP and may want to lead out on flop if you hit a piece of and safely leave the pot if completely air.

[mjarose]

I think it is fine to call this bet to see a flop. Depending on the style of play of MP1, you might want to 3 bet here to see what kind of range he is opening with.