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[chrisjp]

It's Level 4 in the Seniors. We are playing 75-150 no ante and you have about 60-65BBs. Average chip stack is around 30-35BBs. It's ten handed and you are in Seat 10. Your name is Michael Woo and you have been active at this table. Table has been very soft and predictable and you have been running over it except against Seat 3. Seat 3 is chrisjp. You dumped some chips to him earlier when you tried to donk bluff him. chrisjp has got you outchipped now so you have to be careful. A new player comes to the table in Seat 7. He's got like 55BBs and appears like he might be good. Doubtful since this is the Seniors. But he is in his early 50s and presents himself as a poker player, not a Senior.

Seat 7 now raises in MP+1. You reraise with and it folds back to Seat 7 who calls. You like to make healthy reraises and there is ~21bbs in the pot.

Flop:

Seat 7 checks and you bet 18BBs because that's the kind of player you are. Seat 7 thinks for like 10 seconds and moves in for 45BBs. So it's 27BBs to win 84BBs.

Your move....

Chris

[MXRider]

Firstly, 18bb cb is way too much here. I think something like 12 is more than sufficient in this spot if we choose to cbet at all. I'm likely to check behind here on the flop. Hero has to fold here to preserve any type of stack. Villain r/c preflop and then c/r the 3 bettor. Villain is not bluffing here, and it's the seniors.....

[leofric]

If we're behind but have six outs then we have pretty much the odds to call.

If he already has a set then its running QJ or nothing.

If he has a flush draw with a pair then we're down to 4 outs

If he has just a draw then he's not that far behind, say 8 outs for a OESD and six more cards to pair his 97 then that's 14 outs to him


Can't see a call being +EV without something very strong in the read dept to back it up.

Not sure the flop bet has to be 18BB though, looks a little big to me (if indeed we should be c-betting here at all - but then we are that kind of player!)

[chrisjp]

A new player comes to the table in Seat 7. He's got like 55BBs and appears like he might be good. Doubtful since this is the Seniors. But he is in his early 50s and presents himself as a poker player, not a Senior.

Yes, it is the Seniors, but we are not all out of it. There were some excellent players in this, former Main Event winners, it's just that over half the field is completely clueless.

This guy did seem like he could be a reasonable player. We just don't know yet.

I think that Woo's cb was really too big. I also would have checked behind on the flop like mx said. Why get involved in a big pot with a player that may or may not be good until you get a read on him. You can just feast off the clueless smaller stacks.

But....Woo ended up calling which I think is very reasonable. He can have a pair, in which case you have odds to call, barely, or he can be on a draw in which case you are about 50-50.

Seat 7 showed.

[Taardvark]

I agree that the c bet is far to too big. 12BB gets you the same info as 18BB. Villian's raise with the remaining chips is going to be all in either way.

I really don't like the call of the shove. You have to be very certain you are good here because losing puts you on life support.

I think the play I would make in this spot would have been to check behind in position and reevaluate on the turn.

[chrisjp]

I still think the call is reasonable although close. Of course he set him up for this with a bad c-bet.

These low flops, well a ten is out there but it's sort of low, are dangerous in the sense that villain always thinks you are bluffing. I would check behind on the flop, but if not make a smaller c-bet, even smaller than advocated, so you can safely fold if he pushes. I don't think Gus Hansen would c-bet more than 8-10 bbs here, if he c-bet at all.

This hand reminds me of the Main Event last year. All sorts of confrontations like this.

Chris