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Postby redman7027 » Jul 19 2010

This week I placed 29 in the 100k on Bodog. This is much worse than kissing your sister after 7 hr of play and lasting longer than 550 players I made a $240 profit.

I have been thinking about my play and trying to identify situations where I could have played different either losing less by playing tighter or missed opportunities to accept more risk.

There are a few spots early in the game that I could have played more aggressive but I am ok with those for the most part as chip preservation is more important early as chipping up and lasting is critical early. On the bubble I was in an ideal situation with a 40 plus blind stake and two weak short players to my left. I abused the bubble and my friends to my left and chipped up to about 60 blinds.

This hand came about 2 rotations after the bubble burst. I have a very good player to my left or at the time I thought he was very good. I ran his stats during play and it showed he had won 6% of games played. I just ran them again on a different web site and it shows the same 6% but with and ROI of only 30%. I wish I had known his ROI was lower I may have played this hand differently.

Anyway there are about 50 runners left I have 40 blinds about 60K. BB is $1500. Average stack is about 47K.

Nine handed play. 3 involved in the hand.

UTG+2 bet 4,500
SB calls – 4,500
Hero BB with 10’s

My image after the bubble is very important I think.

Your move?
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Postby mchilger » Jul 19 2010

stacks from villains?

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Postby redman7027 » Jul 19 2010

Slightly smaller than mine but not by much. Maybe 5 to 10 blinds smaller.
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Postby redman7027 » Jul 19 2010

I can and should be more specific the sb had like 5 blinds less and i think the UTG+2 raiser had like 10 less.
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Re: Passive Play or Pot Control

Postby blah730235 » Jul 19 2010

redman7027 wrote:
My image after the bubble is very important I think.



Opponent tendencies > image

You've played with these guys long enough that you think that they think of you as an aggrotard but you dont give your impression of UTG+2 or SB? Biggest leak right there imo, doesn't appear you have your opponents categorized.

No doubt its good to take your image into account when making a dession but not nearly as important as just having your opponent put into general categories. Nits & fish and any number of opponent types adjust to aggrotards very differently.
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Postby redman7027 » Jul 19 2010

I don’t think my question is really about reads. I actual thought I was playing for trip value only for all sorts of reasons. But let’s forget about that.

I am trying to better understand controlling the pot size and when to do this. I really do not want to play for all my chips and given the action to this point and my image as lose aggressive it seem I will be playing for all my chips if I raise. For purpose of discussion let’s assume villains ranges are both with over cards or one with over cards and the other an under pair.

From a pure EV prospective I should raise but is it proper in this case to not to raises because I what to control the pot size.

For the most part I am asking those that played in the WSOP.

Thanks again for your thoughts!!!
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Postby Primitive » Jul 19 2010

With effective stacks of 30 BB's I'll just set-mine.

I don't like to raise 20% + of my stack and throwing it away to a repush with a hand that has postflop potential.
- I'll call with PP's + maybe AQ, AJ, KQs
- I'll raise the hands that can call pushes QQ+, AK + the occational semibluff resteal with some low-medium SC's
- I'll throw away everything else.

The problem with raising TT is when you get called and miss your set, then you are usually reduced to bluffing postflop. You'r CB will very seldom be called by a worse hand.
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