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[MXRider]

Ok all, the time has come to give us a single thread to discuss anything related to rush trny's. I may get over-ruled on the official stuff but meh...

So as one that has been primarily playing just these things, I'm really having a hard time figuring out if I'm a genius or a donk in these. Since they are relatively new, there's only so much of a sample size that one can generate. I have one of the largest sample sizes that I have been able to find so far and think I'm doing pretty well in these. Here's my overall's:



Now, I have found one person that I have played with a lot in the 11's and that is bomschikiwauwau and his chart is just absurd which makes me double guess myself on these. Here's his:



Do we have any other rush grinders?

[philhux]

How many do you generally play at one time MX? Compared with how many regular MTT sngs you might choose to play at one time?

[MXRider]

I generally try and keep 4 going at a time and if I start to get short, I'll load up to 6 maximum which starts to get a bit much.

I haven't played other types of mtt sng's in a looooong time quite honestly so I really can't compare.

[mconstab]

Good stuff starting this thread MX, I still like to play these to de stress from playing cash (although they tend to have the opposite effect) so I'll definitely get involved in this.

I've been playing some of the $26 Rush guarantee MTT's every so often which usually have around 800+ runners and the standard is horrific but over a small sample I'm running like death. I've noticed yourself in one or two of them MX.

Oh and nice graph MX, impressive. That Bomschik graph is sick also.

[philhux]

I struggle to play rush tourneys at the same time as a regular MTT schedule, so I don't play many - they take up a lot of focus - almost as much as a heads up game.

I would like to play more - so maybe I'll pick a day and just play rush.

Quick observations from my limited play. Mostly in bigger MTTs rather than MTT SnGs but I think there are some themes which apply to both.

-I think that you don't have to worry about being unexploitable. You can do things like vary your open raises depending on your hand.

-Also you don't need to worry about your image. If you make a big river bluff or a marginal call down - the only person who will see is your opponent in that hand. Everyone else will have already left the table and be on to the next hand.

-You can take advantage of the bubble even more than in a regular tourney.

-Last two/three tables is an interesting part - by this time you've probably tagged a few players who you think are decent. The difference from a regular tourney is that you get swapped positions all the time - so you don't develop a positional dynamic as in a regular mtt. To me this is really interesting and makes it fun when battling against another good reg. You don't really have to worry about playing out of position against them and can perhaps make a marginal fold as you will be back in position in the next couple of hands vs them.

[MXRider]

I struggle to play rush tourneys at the same time as a regular MTT schedule, so I don't play many - they take up a lot of focus - almost as much as a heads up game.

I would like to play more - so maybe I'll pick a day and just play rush.

Quick observations from my limited play. Mostly in bigger MTTs rather than MTT SnGs but I think there are some themes which apply to both.

-I think that you don't have to worry about being unexploitable. You can do things like vary your open raises depending on your hand.

-Also you don't need to worry about your image. If you make a big river bluff or a marginal call down - the only person who will see is your opponent in that hand. Everyone else will have already left the table and be on to the next hand.

-You can take advantage of the bubble even more than in a regular tourney.

-Last two/three tables is an interesting part - by this time you've probably tagged a few players who you think are decent. The difference from a regular tourney is that you get swapped positions all the time - so you don't develop a positional dynamic as in a regular mtt. To me this is really interesting and makes it fun when battling against another good reg. You don't really have to worry about playing out of position against them and can perhaps make a marginal fold as you will be back in position in the next couple of hands vs them.

The dynamics of being whisked away after each hand is quite intriguing to me. I will play soooo differently throughout the trny maingly based on stack sizes. Exploiting the bubble with a good size stack is very key to me and I tend to play very laggy with either a big stack or a shortstack. I've noticed people playing way too tight in these around the money as they can just move on

[mconstab]

My classic Rush hand of the day. I fear this thread may be 100 pages long by the time I'm finished. I think I'm something like 25 Rush MTT's without a cash, always runner runner or 2 outer rubbish. Anyway I'll try to refrain from turning this into a rant thread.

Full Tilt - $11+$1Rush|170/340 NL RUSH - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

Hero (BTN): $3,825.00
SB: $15,152.00
BB: $6,830.00
UTG: $13,955.00
UTG+1: $3,885.00
MP: $17,322.00
MP+1: $6,200.00
CO: $11,840.00

Hero posts ante $25.00, SB posts ante $25.00, BB posts ante $25.00, UTG posts ante $25.00, UTG+1 posts ante $25.00, MP posts ante $25.00, MP+1 posts ante $25.00, CO posts ante $25.00, SB posts SB $170.00, BB posts BB $340.00

Pre Flop: (pot: $710.00) Hero has A:spade: A:heart:

fold, fold, fold, fold, CO raises to $680.00, Hero raises to $3,800.00 and is all-in, fold, fold, CO calls $3,120.00

Flop: ($8310.00, 2 players) 4:heart: 4:club: Q:spade:

Turn: ($8310.00, 2 players) K:club:

River: ($8310.00, 2 players) K:diamond:

Hero shows A:spade: A:heart: (Two Pair, Aces and Kings)
CO shows Q:diamond: K:heart: (Full House, Kings full of Queens)
CO wins $8,310.00

[MXRider]

speaking specifically of the 11's, what types of 3b/call shove ranges are you going to have early?

Blinds 15/30 and you have 2k starting stack.

early position pots to 105, what's your 3b/calling range?

[mconstab]

I don't think it would be wrong to get in AKo, AKs, QQ-AA for 80BB but I try to flat AK and QQ a portion of the time against an UTG raiser as I feel my advantage in these things is post flop and most $11 players are spew monkeys (stack off with AQ when the A flops etc).

[MXRider]

I don't think it would be wrong to get in AKo, AKs, QQ-AA for 80BB but I try to flat AK and QQ a portion of the time against an UTG raiser as I feel my advantage in these things is post flop and most $11 players are spew monkeys (stack off with AQ when the A flops etc).

While i agree that flatting with AK and QQ can be good postflop, I also think we lose value when they have JJ-QQ and an A hits. Not sure what the most +cEV would be as I have seen sooo many people stack off preflop with TT+ in these things.

[MXRider]

Ok, here's a situation that I just came up with. What are we doing here preflop?

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, 12 Tournament, 120/240 Blinds (9 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Button (t8976)
SB (t2610)
Hero (BB) (t7610)
UTG (t10685)
UTG+1 (t3419)
MP1 (t18501)
MP2 (t8240)
MP3 (t10504)
CO (t11605)

Hero's M: 21.14

Preflop: Hero is BB with A, K
1 fold, UTG+1 bets t720, 1 fold, MP2 raises to t8240 (All-In), 4 folds, Hero???

[poker_Elmo]

I played the rush $3 rebuy. The first prize was nice - $4500 or so. I finished 30 something for $90.

The play was stunningly bad. The average chip stack was like 60-80 big blinds even late, and people were pushing marginal hands like they were the nuts over and over. Being patient and rope-a-doping seemed to be the best line.

Overbets were common, and play was horrific.

[poker_Elmo]

Ok, here's a situation that I just came up with. What are we doing here preflop?

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, 12 Tournament, 120/240 Blinds (9 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Button (t8976)
SB (t2610)
Hero (BB) (t7610)
UTG (t10685)
UTG+1 (t3419)
MP1 (t18501)
MP2 (t8240)
MP3 (t10504)
CO (t11605)

Hero's M: 21.14

Preflop: Hero is BB with A, K
1 fold, UTG+1 bets t720, 1 fold, MP2 raises to t8240 (All-In), 4 folds, Hero???

In a normal tourney, this is an easy fold. Given a rush tourney, I would consider calling, but these weren't late position plays, so I probably let the AK go and wait for a better spot.

[MXRider]

I played the rush $3 rebuy. The first prize was nice - $4500 or so. I finished 30 something for $90.

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there's a rush $3 rebuy? omg...tell me I'm dreaming....

[Outlier]

I think that $3 rush rebuy is at 16:35 Eastern, and you can buy in through the first 10 levels. I considered it today, but didn't have a long time to play.

Rider, thx for starting this thread. Was playing a $4 turbo Rush a few days ago and came across a "mxrider" in the tourney. Thought it had to be you but didn't know for sure at the time. BTW, no thanks for abusing me!

Looking fwd to more rush discussion on here. I've won only one of them and busted on some sick beats today, but when I do get the cash or win, it's a great feeling when you think of the time put in.

I also agree with Philhux that it's tough to play Rush tourneys at the time as regular MTTs--I prefer all one or the other, but of course sometimes I get tired and bored and can't help myself...