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[philhux]

Your hero is down to just over a third of his start stack after flopping top pair twice with AT and then A9 in position and running into a guy with AQ both times - plus a few draws not getting there.

Blinds 25/50 - second level
Hero - Cut off - 1075 chips
Button ~2700
sb ~4000
bb~1800

Folds to me in the cut off and I look down at aces.

I raise to 125 and am called by the button and both blinds.

Button is a nittish old Asian guy

SB is the only really decent player at the table - he is a young kid, he plays online and riffles his chips and handles them well and has good bet sizing.

BB has just moved to the table and this is his first hand. He's pretty young with a jaunty earring and is decked out in Everest poker gear. I'd guess he was German.

Flop: K88 rainbow

Both blinds check and I continuation bet 325 into the 500 pot.

Button folds and both the blinds call reasonably quickly

The pot is now 1475 and I have 675 left in my stack.

Turn

Turn is a jack putting a second spade on the board and it now reads

K88(J)

SB checks and the BB quickly bets out 600. He has about 800 behind.

Hero?

Extra information. I do not have the ace of spades so it's possible the nut flush draw could be out there. I have no read on this guy at all. The guy in the small blind I would credit with being a good player.

Supplementary info: Almost anyone I've ever played with at Everest Poker has been terrible!

[chrisjp]

Donk bets on the turn are almost always donkish. And you are short enough that I 'm going with my hand. I may be behind but time to double up with your overpair.

Chris

[PokerPate]

Err.. whats with the racial distinctions though?

Anyway, bad way to play pocket A's. Either SB or BB would have folded pre-flop, now you wouldnt need to have worried about trip 8's or the flush draw. I dont think its a good idea to value bet on a low stack.

[nsidestrate]

With your stack size, I really can't see how you could get away here.

[nsidestrate]

Err.. whats with the racial distinctions though?

Anyway, bad way to play pocket A's. Either SB or BB would have folded pre-flop, now you wouldnt need to have worried about trip 8's or the flush draw. I dont think its a good idea to value bet on a low stack.

I don't understand this reply. What element is racial? That he identified the Button as Asian?

Also what are you saying he did wrong with Aces? He should have raised more pre-flop? He shouldn't have made a continuation bet on the flop?

[JoeDiego]

Looks fine to me tbh. Seems like you're going to run into 10 8 off or something but like has been said previously you're not getting away for 675 when the Everest guy could easily be donking out with loads of hands you beat, all nut flush draws, KJ, and K high flush draws if the King on the board isn't he K spades.

gg ul wp


Oh and btw, SHIP THE MAIN EVENT please!

[jbhstochors]

Not much of a choice at this point .You have to call.I would just reraise allin just having the nut flush draw alone and you do have the overpair.Chances are with both players calling the flop 1 might have the 8.
You still have 11 outs though to the flush amd FHouse.
easy call win or lose,if your gonna play you have to gamble a little,easy call with the outs..
i put the donk on a K leading out though.hope u won Jb

[PokerPate]

I don't understand this reply. What element is racial? That he identified the Button as Asian?

Also what are you saying he did wrong with Aces? He should have raised more pre-flop? He shouldn't have made a continuation bet on the flop?

Yes. That he identifies everyone by race.
Yes. He should have shoved pre-flop.
No reason now for a continuation bet. He has just become bluff proof now that hes all-in. Now were down to pot odds.

[PauliF]

PokerPate

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welcome

[nsidestrate]

Yes. That he identifies everyone by race.

He only identifies one of the three players by race. "German" isn't a race. In live play, it is generally useful to describe what you know about the other players.

Yes. He should have shoved pre-flop.

He had 1,075 chips and the big blind was 50. Raising to 21 times the big blind would be very unusual and would be very likely to just win the blinds (75 chips). Aces are far too good of a hand to do that.

No reason now for a continuation bet. He has just become bluff proof now that hes all-in. Now were down to pot odds.

Well, he isn't actually all-in. He has bet almost half his stack. I also think that "pot odds" doesn't mean what you think it does.

[leofric]

On the "race" issue - dont we all make generalisations based on race/age/gender/direction of peak on baseball cap?

They are generalisations and so should never be completely trusted but doesnt it make sense that Scandanavian players tend to be aggressive - mainly because thats how their heroes play? Young players are less patient than older players - although less likely to fall asleep at the table. And never play poker with your wife because she always knows when you're bluffing

[philhux]

Wow - this thread has descended into madness!

The reveal - I couldn't fold and the Everest poker guy had Ace Eight. No one outer on the river.

Couldn't let it go - felt like KJ was a decent part of his range, as well as something like KQ or even AK or a flush draw - I hate that I knew absolutely nothing about this guy as it was his first hand at the table. I had too many chips committed so I had to call. I guess I posted this just to make sure I didn't have some kind of live poker leak and everyone thought I should make a fold.

To reply to some of the posts here.

jbhstochors - I did not have a flush draw. If you have aces and the flop comes rainbow (three different suits), it is impossible to have a flush draw at any point in the hand.

Poker Pate - Much like airport security, I operate a 'racial profiling' system when playing live poker. I'd advise you to go and play poker at Commerce Casino in Los Angeles and become familiar with the phenomenon of the SAG (sick Asian gambler) and also to spend some quality time playing with French and Italians online - then you'll understand why I am racist at the poker table.

As regards to your poker advice - Clearly I'm not going to open shove preflop. And on the flop, clearly I have the best hand a lot of the time and I think I get the most value by getting the money in over two streets. Plus I am also leaving room for someone to shove over me on the flop if they have a king. I was not planning to ever fold at any point in the hand but when Everest guy donked into me, I was somewhat confused and it seemed like he had trips minimum, but I had so much invested at that point .

[philhux]

Oh and I'd love to become bluff-proof.

How can I do that? ty

I don't understand this reply. What element is racial? That he identified the Button as Asian?

Also what are you saying he did wrong with Aces? He should have raised more pre-flop? He shouldn't have made a continuation bet on the flop?

Yes. That he identifies everyone by race.
Yes. He should have shoved pre-flop.
No reason now for a continuation bet. He has just become bluff proof now that hes all-in. Now were down to pot odds.