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Postby kinnipak » Aug 27 2010

PokerStars Limit Hold'em, $0.20 BB (9 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Preflop: Hero is SB with :kh, :as
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, 4 folds, Button calls, Hero raises, BB calls, UTG+1 calls, Button calls

Flop: (8 SB) :th, :8s, :qc (4 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG+1 checks, Button bets, Hero calls, BB calls, UTG+1 calls

Turn: (6 BB) :js (4 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG+1 bets, Button raises, Hero calls, BB calls, UTG+1 3-bets, Button calls, Hero caps, BB calls, UTG+1 calls, Button calls

River: (22 BB) :6s (4 players)
Hero bets, BB raises, UTG+1 calls, Button calls, Hero calls

Total pot: $6 (30 BB) | Rake: $0.20

Results:
Button mucked :9h, :jh (straight, Queen high).
Hero mucked :kh, :as (straight, Ace high).
BB had :2s, :ks (flush, King high).
UTG+1 mucked :9c, :4c (straight, Queen high).
Outcome: BB won $5.80

GRRRRRRR..........Pretty solid table tho. Nobody is in w/o something.

So do you bet out on that flop? Re-raise when button checked?

I thought my Cap on turn would have said..*gotcha*...till the PokerGods showed up...

Thoughts?
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Postby Willem » Aug 27 2010

I would indeed bet the flop here. You have two overcards plus a gutter. Surely, some of your outs are dirty or in you opponents' hands, but I think you usually have close to enough equity to make the bet, especially if you take into account that people might fold some hands with equity to your bet.

Rest of the hand is fine.
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Postby osmosis21 » Aug 27 2010

Just out of curiousity, why not three bet the turn when you had the opportunity?
What do you think about donking the turn?
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Postby the_hawk » Aug 27 2010

Mash bet/raise button until it hurts on the turn.
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Postby kinnipak » Aug 27 2010

My thinking, for lack of a better term, on turn was that I hit my straight as hoped. I now wanted to draw in as many opponents as I could. I thought a 3 bet from me there would say I had hit it. Once they bet for me, I capped.
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Postby janeg » Aug 27 2010

kinnipak wrote:My thinking, for lack of a better term, on turn was that I hit my straight as hoped. I now wanted to draw in as many opponents as I could. I thought a 3 bet from me there would say I had hit it. Once they bet for me, I capped.


With so many in there's a very good chance one or two have smaller straights and will pay you; also good chance someone is on a flush draw and will stay in regardless. By not 3-betting here you leave value on the table and don't charge the flush draws enough.
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Postby osmosis21 » Aug 27 2010

One problem with your line is the flop action the button raised. On the turn once you hit your gin card, were you planning on raising if only the button bet? (and blocking out the rest of the field).

Reason I think the turn is a 3b is that flushes are calling, and so many straight draws (or made straights will call)
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Postby Misunderstud » Aug 27 2010

All said, really. I'll lead that flop with a gutter and overs and 100% 3-bet turn.
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