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[Bullajami]

Thanks for the feedback in the other thread. I am working on improving my full ring limit holdem game - which I know most people have grown to hate - for the first time in well over a year. Posted above are the PT3 stats for 3,200 recent hands. I know this small sample is not yet statistically relevant, but are there any obvious leaks?

I am sure my PFR stat is too low. I need to work on raising the small pairs and broadway cards in LP. I tend to sneak in with those vice raise.

W$SD is a bit low, but I think that is the result of some bad variance at this point. I've shown down quite a few sets and straights that were no good.

What else do you see in these numbers (especially since some are new stats to me)? Throw darts. I know the games I have been in so far are beatable, but I am not yet beating them. HelpaBull. TIA!

[the_hawk]

Thanks for the feedback in the other thread. I am working on improving my full ring limit holdem game - which I know most people have grown to hate - for the first time in well over a year. Posted above are the PT3 stats for 3,200 recent hands. I know this small sample is not yet statistically relevant, but are there any obvious leaks?

I wouldn't read much into anything (perhaps beyond VPIP and PFR) over 3k hands

I am sure my PFR stat is too low. I need to work on raising the small pairs and broadway cards in LP. I tend to sneak in with those vice raise.

I am a super super nit and I raise much more preflop than this

W$SD is a bit low, but I think that is the result of some bad variance at this point. I've shown down quite a few sets and straights that were no good.

If it was over a longer stretch than 3k hands, and therefore significant, I'd say that W$SD is possibly higher than optimal, if anything (i.e., you're folding some marginal holdings that are actually +EV, at a guess especially on the turn).

[the_hawk]

I'm torn as to what are the "right" figures for WTSD and W$SD these days. A couple of years ago you would say "getting on for 40%" and "50% or even a shade below" without much hesitation.

I suspect the generally relatively nitty nature of games these days has changed the optimal figures somewhat; it's not immediately obvious to me how (probably to decrease the optimal WTSD and increase the W$SD at a guess).

But I'm pretty darn sure that 27% WTSD is at least 5% shy of optimal, and 57% W$SD is at least 5% over.

[Misunderstud]

Usual caveats re sample size, but AtS of 12.5 is woefully low.

[nsidestrate]

Raise more.

Win more.

Probably call down more -- a bit early to know for sure.

[Bullajami]

Thanks for the input.

I am pretty sure that I know the situations where I need to PFR more.

I don't see the situations where I should be calling down more to increase my WTSD and decrease my W$SD. Can anyone point out some situations where an expert player would call down that are commonly missed by non-expert players?

What is a good AtS number?

[Misunderstud]

What is a good AtS number?

I don't know whether it's good or not, but last year (300k hands) I ran at 40% (and 34/53 at SD).

[Bullajami]

I don't know whether it's good or not, but last year (300k hands) I ran at 40% (and 34/53 at SD).

Was that all at FRLH, and what was your BB/100?

[Misunderstud]

I don't know whether it's good or not, but last year (300k hands) I ran at 40% (and 34/53 at SD).

Was that all at FRLH, and what was your BB/100?

Yes, and just over 1 (though I was getting better towards the end) Last 100k was @ 1.4, AtS 46, SD still 34/53; last 50k was @ 2.2, AtS 48, 35/54. TBH, though, some of that was almost certainly variance. I think much above 40-45% AtS long term at these limits is probably edging towards maniac territory. This is all 9-tabling, btw.

[Bullajami]

I'd love to have that win rate at the moment. I am getting slaughtered.

I have managed to lower my W$SD stat to 55% in just 512 more hands. Not that I changed anything about the way I was playing (except raising more from LP). It was easy. All I had to do was go 14/34 at showdown in a session.

Nothing too spectacular, just your standard 4 and 5 outers hitting for the fishies. The only thing out of the ordinary was the concentration of those events in one session. The tables were absolutely beatable until the deck slipped me the high hard one time and time again.

Well...losing the hand where I had pocket queens and flopped queens full was a bit traumatic.


Nothing like a shitty run to mute my resurgent joy of poker.