ITH Poker Forum

[meetpeter]

hey guys,
i have just joined and its interesting.
sound good to me!!!

[jeffnc]

I've said it before and I'll continue to say it. Stop posting the results, it adds NOTHING to the discussion how play a hand and negatively influences the responses you'll get.

I strongly disagree. If you have to look, it's not our fault - don't punish us

The primary reason for posting results is that it shows what people are playing out there. Coming back later and posting the results doesn't work - the vast majority of the time people forget or don't have the history any more or are simply not motivated. Posting the results also creates a database of results that we can all learn from. It is very easy to avoid looking and it also should be easy for experienced players to avoid considering it even if they have looked.

[jeffnc]

The funny thing is that what the other player held is almost irrelevant to the learning experience.

I also very much disagree with that, although I'm curious what you mean by "almost"

[jeffnc]

The crucial part that should give you pause Ohjay is this: how do you know if someone's advice is based on him/her seeing the results or not?

By the solidity of the analysis and the reputation and experience level of the writer. Those things dwarf anything else. If you have a post with the results given and answers by nside and bugs, and another post with no results and answers by a few guys with 6 posts each, is it a big surprise which advice I'll be listening to?

[jeffnc]

Reading the results will not tell you whether your analysis is correct.

Actually, this is a fallacy and is probably the root of the controversy. It is actually the results which provide correct analysis (that combined with raw math, of course.) By showing the results, we get several benefits. One is we see trends in games over time, especially when key hands are posted in games that we don't often play, or stakes that we don't often play. This is a public forum, so the answers are not just for the OP. Another is that it's one more result that gets logged in our database that ultimately affects all the other analysis in hands that follow. It may seem like just one hand, but the hands that get posted tend to be the most important hands to study (we will certainly not post hands where we folded junk, for example.) We need a catalog of results from important hands.

And as I said before, coming back later to log them simply does not work.

[jeffnc]

By the way, if you want to get this hand to showdown, I prefer raising the flop. Not only does it get you there cheaper when someone else obliges, it also more clearly defines when you're crushed (if you don't get a free card on the turn, for example, or get 3-bet on the flop.)

[nsidestrate]

The funny thing is that what the other player held is almost irrelevant to the learning experience.

I also very much disagree with that, although I'm curious what you mean by "almost"

Given that I posted it six years ago, I'm not sure I can help you now.

[jeffnc]

You know how it goes man - I get on one of these rolls some nights, and don't pay any attention at all to the dates. I've done this foolishness many times before