ITH Poker Forum

[Wayne71446]

Question 1 Holdem-- The dealer makes the flop followed by bets / calls. Fourth street comes and 2 players go all in. Everyone else folds. The dealer thought no one called the one player all-in and pickes the folded hands up. We attempted to stop the dealer bat was too late. The dealer didn't know where he put the folded hands (on top or bottow) of the deck. The players started questioning as what to do. The dealer starts suffling the cards. Should the 2 remaining players split the pot or should shuffle the cards and deal the river?

Question 2 Holdem-- Bets are made and called. Hands are shown. The last player lays his cards down, face up, showing ONLY the one top card. This one card beat everyone at the table. One player stated the one card shower mucked his hand by not showing both cards. Did this player actually muck his hand?

[Damien]

No idea what to do about the first one.

Second one - seems obvious to me that that shouldn't be considered a muck. If he can win with just one of his cards, more power to him. He should be required to show the other card though.

[leofric]

1# I could be wrong but I think most casinos would shuffle the cards and deal the river - not ideal maybe but I seem to remember a hand TJ Cloutier desrcibed where one player could hit quad tens only because one player had shoved with TT and another had folded it

2# If everyone else folds then he scoops the pot - if they wanted to see the other card they should have insisted there and then.

[nsidestrate]

Question 1 causes trouble in live settings all the time and different floors rule the hand different ways. The most common ruling is that the person who had their cards scooped up loses everything and the post is awarded to the only guy with cards. The theory is that you are supposed to protect your own hand from being taken by the dealer. In some cases, I have seen the floor ask the player if they could identify exactly which two cards they had and if they are together at the top or bottom of the muck, the floor will once in a blue moon give the player his cards back. Most often, they just lose. Once this happens to you once, you tend to protect your cards a lot better from then on.

In the second situation, the dealer should make the player show both cards or any other player can complain and ask to see both cards. If for some reason no one does and no one else shows two winning cards, then too bad for them. There is no possible way that only showing one card causes you to muck. The exception would be if you showed one card and then threw the cards face down, thinking you had a losing hand. This could result in killing your hand.

[chrisjp]

Watch Roland De Wolfe show one card, not show the other, and then muck. Then the argument rages because Tobias Reikenmeier, who made a great play, had to show off. And of course the dealer compounded the controversy by preventing the cards from disappearing into the muck, and then turning them face up. That's a no no.

This hand has been posted before, but I still think it's neat...

http://www.pokerstop.com/blog/tag/roland-de-wolfe/

Chris