ITH Poker Forum

[Piemaster]

Wenona, I would agree with you except for that AP (or their shills) have a history of signing up to forums and subtley promoting themselves. Recently a new poster came onto Pocket 5s saying that they thought the allegations against AP were stupid, and when they checked out their IP it was in the same range as a known poster from AP on 2+2.

If Actionabets is a genuine poster then I apologise, but I note his lack of participation in any other threads both before or after this.

[ACTIONBETS]

1. English is not my mother tongue so I apologize if I made confusing statements. (which I apparently did)

2. I thank Wenona for his/her clarification on my post.

3. I didn't come here just by accident and defend for X, I read about the whole AP issue at 2+2 and notice the idea actually originated here by icfishies (who is my abecedarian in sportsbetting).

4. I don't want to argue with anyone, I believe everyone has their own point of view and that's fair enough if you don't like my post. I was just adding my two cent to the AP issue and my view is not necessarily correct.

5. Well, there is one illegitimate method to make $ at AP (I don't know if it still works):

AP used to have unknowns playing hu LHE for high stakes($150/300) with a few k and never go bust. Back then (I heard that) it was possible for friends to soft-play against each other for loyalty points which could be converted to cash at some rate, combining that with account upgrades, rakeback and AP deposit bonuses, people could make money from AP. In fact, I was approached by one such person to join them, I did not accept because I thought AP would catch on later.

[the_hawk]

If you'd left (5) off your list I would have said "case dismissed".

As it is...

[FellKnight]

Reposted from 2+2 by TeddyFBI:


Just got off the phone with Adrian, who claims to be the senior most manager in the Absolute Security Department (upon asking to speak to his superior at the end of the conversation, he claims to report directly to the owners). He claims that the investigation is complete, and that they have cleared all accounts of any wrongdoing.

Seeing as I didn't think it would be mental-energy-efficient to get into the entire hole-card-viewing thing with him, since we only have statistical evidence (the likes of which there's no way this guy could grasp -- just trust me on this one), I decided to instead just focus on ONE part of the wrong-doing >> one that no security rep or investigator could plausibly deny: the chip-dumping. A reminder that THESE ARE 3 CONSECUTIVE HANDS where DOUBLEDRAG and ROMNALDO capped every street playing $200/$400 heads-up, only to have DOUBLEDRAG fold for one bet on the river. These were just 3 HHs from an entire session like this where DOUBLEDRAG allegedly dumped over $200,000. IF ANYONE HAS MORE HANDS FROM THIS SESSION PLEASE PM ME.

Anyway, Adrian (top Absolute security guy, don't forget) said that he had looked at those hands, and that although it "looked" like chip-dumping, they had determined that it was not.


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I don't really have anything to say. I would seriously recommend getting any money off Absolute if you have not done so already. The simple fact that regardless of ALL OTHER accusations, we had 3 hands in a row where DOUBLEDRAG capped the betting on every street and then folded for one bet on the river that the Absolute Poker security department is a complete and total joke that cannot protect your interests even in the simplest of cheating schemes (collusion/whipsaw/chipdump).

I, for one, will never play another hand of poker at Absolute.

Fell

[taz115]

Yeah thats very poor, especially on the chip-dumping problem. These guys must be laughing their asses off at getting away scott free when they were obviously terrified by the publicity brought to threads and started to dump chips.

No AP for me.

[Bullajami]

1. English is not my mother tongue so I apologize if I made confusing statements. (which I apparently did).....

who is my abecedarian in sportsbetting

English is my mother tongue and I had to look that one up.

[kpr16]

I don't post on 2+2 often and don't ever remember my login or else I would have asked for more hand histories from the chip dumping. In all honesty, those 3 hands are extremely suspicious given what we know about DoubleDrag, but in AP's defense all 3 have flush draws available on the flop that don't get there on the river. I admit that's a stretch! But, it is defensible to a degree. If there's a whole session of this, I don't see how AP can possibly deny chip-dumping.

To Actionbets, I was actually confused as to why Pie said that, which is why I was trying to understand the statements clearly. I will also apologize for a less than friendly welcome, and thanks for your opinion on this topic.

[Viscant]

I've been one of the biggest proponents of AP for years, given them literally hundreds of thousands of hands of business but this is too much. To not even take action against them for ridiculously obvious chip dumping, I'm done with AP for the near future and probably for good. This is just ridiculous.

[Willem]

Reposted from 2+2 by TeddyFBI:
Just got off the phone with Adrian, who claims to be the senior most manager in the Absolute Security Department (upon asking to speak to his superior at the end of the conversation, he claims to report directly to the owners). He claims that the investigation is complete, and that they have cleared all accounts of any wrongdoing.

So they caught and prosecuted all the villains and then left the door wide open so it can all happen again?

[FellKnight]

Reposted from 2+2 by TeddyFBI:
Just got off the phone with Adrian, who claims to be the senior most manager in the Absolute Security Department (upon asking to speak to his superior at the end of the conversation, he claims to report directly to the owners). He claims that the investigation is complete, and that they have cleared all accounts of any wrongdoing.

So they caught and prosecuted all the villains and then left the door wide open so it can all happen again?

Bingo... well... except for the catching and prosecuting the villains bit.

Fell

[Stew-21]

Being new at this, I have a question...Shouldn't a caution be added to this site for new people to see so they know to "play here at their own risk"? Just a thought.

[ciaran]

I think this thread probably serves as sufficient warning at the moment for the players most likely to be affected (higher limit players). AP has assured us as well that the players in question are being investigated/dealt with appropriately and that no "backdoor" exists in the AP software/servers. We'll be following up with them again shortly at an upcoming conference as well.

For myself, I'm not sure what AP could do to address this issue publicly short of exposing the complete hand histories of the questionable players, and I realize the mathematical evidence is fairly damning in the sample that's been outed elsewhere. That said, I'd be more inclined towards thinking there was a compromise of some players' computers than AP's (or any other site's) for several reasons in cases like this.

[Stew-21]

Thanks for the info, and quick reply. You guys have been at this alot longer than me, so I'm just going to follow your lead.

[ezflop212]

Either way this is some pretty spooky stuff.