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mconstab wrote:I think I'd check back flop, bet turn, bet river. I think villain can have better jacks that he's trying to pot control albeit OOP as well as TT and all his semi bluffs will likely just Cbet. If I bet the flop I'd check back turn and just flat the river bet.
Interesting hand though and I feel like every street is actually really close.
philhux wrote:If you check back the flop then 95% he is going to bet the turn, so do you raise then or just smooth call?
philhux wrote:I really don't see any value at all in raising the river as played here. For sure AA is the only hand that calls you, I suppose KK finds a call sometimes, QQ even less. You can run into 99, KJ, AJ. I mean, we think from his preflop raise size he has a big hand but people play strange.
Radford wrote:I think i just have to bet the turn again though. I like betting because it gets more chips into the pot and your opponent doesn't have to automatically assume you have a jack.
nsidestrate wrote:Radford wrote:I think i just have to bet the turn again though. I like betting because it gets more chips into the pot and your opponent doesn't have to automatically assume you have a jack.
I'm sympathetic to that argument. If I bet the turn, he isn't sure I have a Jack. If Chris bets the turn, maybe.
mconstab wrote:philhux wrote:If you check back the flop then 95% he is going to bet the turn, so do you raise then or just smooth call?
Depending on his sizing I probably just flat expecting to still get value on the turn and river whilst still keeping in some of his semi bluffs and allowing him to fire river with them.
chrisjp wrote:Back to discussion: I'm liking my turn check more and more. It widens my range and puts drawing hands into the equation. Very unlikely I have trips or a full house. Guys with my image don't check behind with those hands. More importantly guys with my image DO bet with those hands, and only those hands usually. It also eliminates the c/r by him which would be uncomfortable as many have pointed out. Very uncomfortable.
nsidestrate wrote:I love the check behind if you are going to raise the river. If you are going to flat the river, I'm less sure. It lets him set the bet size but it does maybe get the odd bluff from an AK kind of hand.
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