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[quadaces9999]

I have the book and i have just finished reading it. Its a great read and i could not put the book down. This is a small review. After i study more and read the book a couple more times i will give a more in depth review. I am also posting this review in the books forum.


First off the cover is beautiful. The typeset and layout inside the book is also very nice. It is very easy to read and almost every hand example has the full face pictured cards. Outstanding work. The book is Huge it is 544 pages so it has plenty of information inside.

There are a lot of concepts in the book that i have never seen before in print for PLO. Such as SPR, floating,3 betting, small ball and a few more. The concepts are explained in a well thought out matter and are very easy to understand. After each concept explained the author has listed a good amount of hand examples which are related to the concept just explained. Although the hand examples do not question what you would do in the hand it rather explains the authors thought process thru-out the hand.

Regarding the hand examples,alot of them teach me something new and for the others they are just a confirmation of what i know and I nod my head in agreement with the author's thought process.

The largest section of book is the shorthanded play section. There are a few pages of concepts of shorthanded play 6 max and the meat of it is the 128 hand examples of shorthanded play 6 max. It astonishing on the amount of hand examples are in this section Kudos for the author and addressing Shorthanded 6 max play.

The author also teaches some bankroll management and managing our self. Examples are the Bankroll schedule, moving up to fast,slowing down, growing at your own pace, the biggest bankroll killer:the heater. , staying in school, and poker as a career.

All in all i give the book a 9.5 out 10. The book is very well written, there are tons of hand examples and this is a complete Advanced PLO book, It seems to cover Advanced PLO from A to Z . Trust me This is a must get for every serious PLO player.

[quadaces9999]

Ok i tried to use some of the concepts i read in the book last night and today. I first started at .05/.10 6max on pokerstars. I did not have a chance to really do floating or 3 betting at this level. Although i only played about 700 hands at this level. that's 4 tabling for about 3 hours.

In order to float or 3 bet your going to need a table full of weak tight players. Most players here were loose passive, tight aggressive and loose aggressive.

For example I'm on button with a mediocre hand. UTG1 would fold, UTG2 would Fold, the cutoff would raise 3 big blinds, and i would 3 bet to isolate the cutoff, the small blind called the big blind called. Now im stuck in a pot with a mediocre hand with 4 players to see the flop. Not the best situation.


Another example UTG1 raises, UTG2 folds, Cutoff calls, i 3bet from the button with a mediocre hand to isolate, small button calls my 3bet, the BB folds and UTG1 re raises the pot, cutoff calls now what for me i have to fold and lose my 3bet. But keep in mind this is only for .05/.10 and below and maybe some .15/.25

So floating and 3 betting is not just going to work very well at the lower end of the micro levels there are just to many calling stations and looses players. Although you maybe get lucky and find one were you can apply these concepts.

Although i did lose some money with my failed 3 betting and floates i did end up winning overall with 2 buy ins for profit. The concepts in the book that helped me get some of that profit are, Following through:the betting machine, value betting, SPR, Check calling and small ball (minus the floating and 3 betting) and a few more.

I was really anxious to get this 3 betting and floating working so i moved over to full tilt and went up a few stakes to .25/.50 now this is were the 3 betting and floating started to work. I 4 tabled for about 5 hours at this level.
Try to find the deepstack tables that way your not playing against a bunch of shortstacks.

This is were i could totally use all the concepts found in the book. Now don't get me wrong there are some very strong players here but your not going to see as much multiway pots here so you can float much more. And your 3 bets have more value to them if you apply them right. Just make sure your floating on weaker players.

All in all i ended up winning close to 3 buy ins at this level. Maybe some of it was lucky but i know i did gain some profits from some of the moves i learned from the book.

Although this book is not for a beginner PLO player its more for that intermediate player who is looking to take his game to a Advanced level.

For myself i have been playing PLO for a good 2 to 3 years and i have not progressed the way i wanted to (still stuck in the micros). Hopefully by studying and applying the concepts in this book ill be ready to take that next big step up.

[quadaces9999]

wow the book is #4 for all gambling and poker books on Amazon

[GrumpyDad]

Probably the best poker book (any game) I've ever had on my hands.
Structure, Typography, Print, Style, is of absolutely world class quality, so you can focus on the content. It deserves a hard cover, it really deserves.

Then given Jeff's background (as in an MBA and being a Investment Writer / Analyst) I'm not surprised of his style and how well it fits my learning preferences. It's not the same trying to became a doctor on finance than being a finance business lead. There are trade offs in theory / practice than Jeff is mastering perfectly.

I'm a regular contributor to the largest Spanish speaking community and you should expect a review there pretty soon. Will let you know, so you're not surprised if seeing a bunch of orders coming from Spain

[GrumpyDad]

** deleted ** I submitted it twice, sorry

[mr brightside]

wow the book is #4 for all gambling and poker books on Amazon

I bet it would be higher if they didn't run out

- mr brightside

[mr brightside]

double posted, can't figure out how to delete

[mchilger]

Brightside, I think Amazon has got their inventory straighted out now for APLO and I don't expect they'll run out of stock again. Sometimes when a book first comes out they misestimate demand and I don't know how many preorders are coming in until they actually get stock - next time I'll try and work with them to avoid understocking the book.

Grumpy, thanks for the kind words. Jeff is completely responsible for the content, but Dimat tries hard to make our books the best-looking books in terms of graphics, presentation, and style. Nice to hear that it shows. I expect to have a Spanish-version by end of year which will be offered for sale at this website.

Matthew

[GrumpyDad]

It's good to hear that a Spanish language is coming by the end of the year, will make sure I'm adding that to my review (nevertheless, you'll already got the top mark).

Then, let me know if you need ay help with proof reading the book particularly in tyring to make sure that the common translations are in place. Not an easy subject, as poker is dominated by english language terms and that no body has set an iron clad translation and often a dictionary translation will hurt more than help.

You can read some of my recents posts at Poquer-Red (lookup for GrumpyDad) or simply visit GrumpyDadPoker dot Com and select the tag "poquer-red". Actually in a recent entry introducing Omaha to Hold'Em players a question arise about what the best books are on the subject, and guess what Jeff's ones where the preferred and recommended ones.